Air Ride ?

[famous]

So I wana put a air ride setup on my 07 gsxr 600 but I'm not really sure what brand to go with or what the pros and cons are of having air ride...... so can you guys fill me in.......

[boneill25]

AirFX is the best that i know of, i have it on my 01 gsxr 1000 and love it. When its lowered all the way it basically acts like a strut, but when its lifted it acts kinda like a shock! Push buttion control to to raise and lower, it'll cost you around $1500. :smiley_rock:

[MBP]

Hey Famous,

As you know i design and manufacture Sportbike Air Ride suspension systems, below is my unbias opinion of whats out in the market.

My advise would be in choosing an air ride consider the following
1 - Suits your riding style, cruising, hitting the twisties (if you do ride the twisties ask them if they have ridden the twisties and how did it handle with the said system)
2 - Quality
3 - After service - spare parts, rebuilds etc
4 - Options to upgrade system eg instant up, remote control, handleing system upgrades
5 - Instructions
6 - Budget

There are a number of style systems on the market which handle differently.

Single Chamber systems (cylinder / piston Style)
Pressurises the top chamber of the cylinder and the bike basicly floats on a bead of air, these systems are comfortable to ride soft and smooth great for cruising, not the best for riding the twisties. There are a few very basic and cheap mods you can do to them if you need it to handle better. Majority of these systems can be rebuild but not all.

Single chamber "Oil Dampened"
Pressurises the top chamber of the cylinder, but has a hydraulic dampening circuit built into the system, I have not had a great to do with these or know what adjustment they have. I do know that it is a cylinder that can be rebuilt.

Twin Piston Systems (cylinder / Piston Style)
This system is the same as a single chamber control but has two pistons in the cylinder with air pressurising the top of the two pistons, which allows lower pressures to be run, it is a transition between a single and Dual or Twin chamber system. It has better handleing than a single chamber system but not the adjustability of Dual or Twin Chamber systems. These systems can be rebuilt

Dual or Twin Chamber systems (cylinder / Piston Style)
Pressurises the top and bottom chamber of the cylinder, can be ridden and any comfort level soft, hard, high, low and can be adjusted by the flick of a switch. These are the best systems if you are riding the twisties and set up of the suspension for different conditions. Majority of these systems can be rebuilt.

Air Spring
This uses an air spring with the same control system as a single chamber system, they do have some adjustment but must be changed manually via dial on the air spring itself. These systems can be rebuilt but does require more parts and labour to do.

I have my own range of systems but at one time or another over the years since i started my Motorcycle Air Ride Business (which i focus solely on Sportbike Air Suspension) have either installed, repaired, rebuilt or modified the majority of the brands on the market today, below is a list of Manufactures,the type of systems and options they have and if the cylinders / valves can be rebuilt.

Tricky Air
Single Chamber Systems only
Front Busa system
Remote Control
Instant Up
Rebuildable - Yes

Eye Candy
Single Chamber "oil dampened"
Remote control
Rebuildable - Yes

Air FX
Twin Piston system
Remote control
Rebuildable - Yes

Platinum Air Suspension
Dual Chamber and single chamber
Remote Control
Rebuildable - Yes

Dapincci
Dual Chamber
Remote Control
Rebuildable - Yes

Big Boar
Single "G4" and dual Chamber "EQ"
Remote Control
Rebuildable - NO

Arnott
Air Spring system
Rebuildable - Yes

MBP Air Ride Suspension Systems
Single chamber and Twin Chamber systems
Front systems (to be released)
Remote Control
Instant Up
Twin Compressors
Remote adjustable reservoirs for additional fine adjustment of compression or rebound damping control (to be released)
Contrast cut style cylinders
Custom systems for any bike.
Motorcycle Air Ride rebuild service for all makes of air ride systems.
Rebuildable - Yes

Hope this info helps mate,

Cheers,

Matt

[Bigrod330]

:bow: Yep...there you have it. Best is get a dual chamber controlled system. 1 chamber raise/lowers, the other is for comfort control hard/soft.

[famous]

Ok so I got a arnott air ride set up... now time for the install . I'll post up some pics...

[dirtyred]

good choice because me and Feenom both have arnott and we love it. It's been on our bikes for about a year and a half and the only problem we have is the people wont leave us alone, they always want us to hit our remotes and make it go up and down.

[famous]

ok i can get it up but cant get it to go down.... any ides on what im doing wrong.....

[Fallenangels]

Sounds like you need the assistance of a good female....:2CrazyLOL:

[HEI57]

Sounds like you need the assistance of a good female....:2CrazyLOL:



gooooold.... nice call

[famous]

Well my wife came out to the garage and had no idea how to fix it either .... any more ideas .....

[long750]

check ur wiring 2 tha relay!!!!! or go 2 arnott's page and download the manual and just go through it page by page. i just got finished wiring my arnott 4 instant up and thanks 2 tha guys here(MBP, BigRod) and the assistance of that manual i got everything good and right

[famous]

Yeah that's what I was was gona do... I was just bench testing it so its not hard wired yet

[famous]

ok i fig out what i did wrong .... now is it ok to put lowering links on as well as air ride..... hear are some pics

[andynjess]

lookn' good

[dirtyred]

Looking good man

[Bigrod330]

ok i fig out what i did wrong .... now is it ok to put lowering links on as well as air ride..... hear are some pics


Air-ride HOT tip #1. To save big prob later if anything should ever brake..... Install adjustable all thread lower links. If a line blows...you dont want the tire and tail being close friends. Set air ride to all down....then adjust the links so the tail is off tire 1/2 inch. THis will save bike and you if something was ever to happen. And if it does...you can still ride home with it. Glad is did this in the beginning...trust me.

[FEENOM]

Nice input BigRod because I had a line pop off on mine while I had a chick on the bike and decided to race Dirty Red from the light and because I had it set so that my tire would not hit I was able to stop and push the line back in and then pump it back up and I was fine.....If it was able to hit the tire we both would have got messed up.......Good thing about Arrnott is that when it is all the way down you still got spring....But remember you can only have your chain set to be tigh in one position so all the way down for me is really loose but I dont ride like that, I only ride almost all the way up.......

[famous]

Smart man. I was gona lower it 2 inches it still leaves me with a inch gap from the tire to the undertail when its all the way down.

[long750]

yea i just finished puttin my setup back 2gether it sits about 4inches above tire so im good now letting the battery charge and gonna take it 4 a spin make sure everything is running smooth

[Humorris]

yea i just finished puttin my setup back 2gether it sits about 4inches above tire so im good now letting the battery charge and gonna take it 4 a spin make sure everything is running smooth

And we dont have pics what the hell!:blink: We wanna see the :bling2:

[Bigrod330]

Yea a buddy of mine has the Tricky air set up. Blow line and bang...yep tail on the tire. We made him a spacer that fits around the lower shaft of the cylinder and then also put on the Soupy Links. Works great now.

[andynjess]

so how's the quality on the Soupy's? was thinking about getting one.

[famous]

i have soupys to i think i might just put them back on. the only neg thing in my opinion is their a pain the set.

[Bigrod330]

Brock's also has threaded adjustable that are nice.

[long750]

And we dont have pics what the hell!:blink: We wanna see the :bling2:

will i gotta make sure everything is good and set but i fif take pics yesterday so ill post a cpl in a lil bit and some video!!!!!!!! but i have a small air leak i gotta handle in the a.m. when i wake up and thats it. ok now i want a larger compressor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??? that thing is only rated 2 120 and when it goes beyond that it gets louder and i can tell its pushin itself 2 get up there

[long750]

plus i have alot of pics i need 2 load from past events like myrtle(the 1 day i was there), dropjaws big show, and a cpl more things. and everybody keeps tellin me i need 2 post them

[long750]

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[famous]

ok so i put the adjustable links on and now im happy with the drop.... i need to chop up my adjustabe kickstand so it will sit righ... what did everyone else do for a kickstand......

[HEI57]

ok so i put the adjustable links on and now im happy with the drop.... i need to chop up my adjustabe kickstand so it will sit righ... what did everyone else do for a kickstand......

chopped two inchs outta mine and had the bottom plate rewelded on

[famous]

Well I have an adjustable but I wana be able to slam it down and use the kickstand. I could modify it but it just dosent seem that sturty. ....

[andynjess]

looks good Famous.

[famous]

Thanx man just gota fig out this dam kickstand problem

[Fallenangels]

Yea a buddy of mine has the Tricky air set up. Blow line and bang...yep tail on the tire. We made him a spacer that fits around the lower shaft of the cylinder and then also put on the Soupy Links. Works great now.

I ran a Tricky system on my last incarnation of my bike, and I must say that I loved it...the trick is to adjust your lowering links so that there is about a lil' more than an inch at the lowest point and you tail won't slam into the tire if something should go wrong.

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[MBP]

I run a RT lowered (short) side stand, great product (bolt on) to use with the rear air ride.

I did have to modify mine which i just machined a small notch for where the stop on the busa stand is because when my busa is fully lowered its 5 inches lower in the back and 5 inches lower in the forks as well so its Looooowwwww.

Cheers,

Matt

[MBP]

will i gotta make sure everything is good and set but i fif take pics yesterday so ill post a cpl in a lil bit and some video!!!!!!!! but i have a small air leak i gotta handle in the a.m. when i wake up and thats it. ok now i want a larger compressor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??? that thing is only rated 2 120 and when it goes beyond that it gets louder and i can tell its pushin itself 2 get up there

The Viair 95C is probably the compressor you have, I have been using these for years and they are a great compressor, yes it is rated to 120psi at 10 amps max current draw. The compressor will go to higher pressures but will wear quicker as it is higher pressures than the duty cycle. Bigrod is using a 140psi pressure switch and he has not had any problems with his from what i am aware. Check with your air ride manufacturer to confirm if using these higher pressures are ok for the air spring.

Cheers,

Matt