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Crowbar
04-13-2009, 03:12 PM
RALEIGH — It could become harder and more expensive for someone to get a North Carolina motorcycle license.


At the request of military leaders at Fort Bragg and Camp Lejeune Marine Corps base, the state legislature is advancing a bill that would require motorcyclists to take a safety class before they can get motorcycle endorsements on their licenses.

The military already requires these classes before its soldiers, airmen, Marines and sailors can ride, regardless of whether they ride on a military base or a civilian road. Those caught violating the order could face discipline from their chain of command.

North Carolina’s proposed law change would extend the requirement to civilians, although people already licensed to drive motorcycles would not have to meet the new standard.
The change will help the military, said Fort Bragg acting garrison safety manager Richard Eppler, because some soldiers don’t follow orders to take the class before they ride. “It’ll help … catch some of those 1 percent out there that try to bend the rules,” he said.

Between 2003 and 2007, deaths from motorcycle crashes nearly doubled in North Carolina, from 101 to 194.

Nationwide, the military lost 41 people to motorcycle crashes in fiscal 2001. That tripled to 124 in 2008.
Fort Bragg reports six people died in motorcycle wrecks in 2006, none in 2007 and two in 2008.
In 2008, Fort Bragg soldiers were involved in 25 wrecks, up from 19 in 2006, said Eppler. About half were caused by irresponsible riders, and half were caused by the other drivers involved in the wrecks, he said.

The proposed change would stop riders from indefinitely renewing motorcycle learner’s permits. The permit would be valid for six months at a time, and after riding for a year on a permit, the rider would have to get a full motorcycle endorsement or quit riding.


taken from http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=323565 if passed this would start july 2010

i know alot of folks just keep renewing permits

dragracer237
04-13-2009, 03:37 PM
Gov't regulations are pure:1 (29):

JRB
04-13-2009, 06:06 PM
From what I gathered reading 2WT a few months back it's costing the military too much to replace the unexperienced riders killed on leave.

razr
04-13-2009, 07:18 PM
Gotta love regulations. But to many people go out buy a bike and go out and wrap it around something. Two weeks ago I was at a dealership were a customer wanted to buy a bike and a truck. Didn't have a permit for a bike so he runs down to the dmv and gets a permit. Goes in signs the paperwork. Comes out jumps on the bike 600rr, salesman asks if he knows what hes doing guy says yes been riding dirt bkes for years. Cracks the throttle lets the clutch fly!! Bike goes straight up bounces off two cars and lands against a wall. The guy NEVER LET GO!!! Broke his leg, arm busted his head up to. I have never seen such crazy stuff in my life. I wish I would of had a video camera.

Lee
04-13-2009, 08:06 PM
:BigmouthDrop:

razr
04-13-2009, 08:54 PM
Yeah Lee thats exactly how I looked!!

Lee
04-13-2009, 10:11 PM
Crowbar, sorry to get off topic..

-Razr, that event you described immediately reminded me of that part in the new 007 movie when he takes that bike away from that guy in Haiti. The wheel went straight up in the air..

Mark302
04-13-2009, 10:34 PM
Last year at my dealership we had a Air Force customer (we get alot of those cause we're like 3 miles from Dover Air Force Base) buy a brand new Triumph Daytona 675 with little riding experiance if any at all. He just got done all the paperwork maybe had the bike 20 min, he went to pull out of the parking lot, grabbed a hand full of throttle, wheelied, then freaked, grabbed a hand full of front brake, then proceded to endo over into a parked Mini Cooper. Luckily he wasn't hurt, and needless to say the owner of the Mini was pissed. I don't think that would be a bad law cause it might have prevented all that. Good thing no one was walking across the parking lot at the time.

Lee
04-13-2009, 10:39 PM
I'll admit right now that when the Air Force made me take that class (more than one day long) I truly learned allot. Our instructor was scraping pegs on his ol' touring bike during demonstrations; it was the first time I'd seen someone do that. That class was a looooong time ago for me but I still remember allot of the things that were said in it on a regular basis. Weird how that works..

dirtyred
04-14-2009, 01:32 AM
I tell you from being in the Army, the rules suck for us but at least it's going to save somebodies life.

razr
04-14-2009, 07:24 AM
I tell you from being in the Army, the rules suck for us but at least it's going to save somebodies life.

+1 on that.

dragracer237
04-14-2009, 07:48 AM
I think every one should take the MSF course...I just don't like the fact that the Govt forces you to do so. They only look at it as a way to generate revenue,they don't give a shit about your safety.If want to make it manditory,then make it free!!!

Crowbar
04-14-2009, 11:29 AM
Crowbar, sorry to get off topic..




no apology necessary


razr, we have that same problem in this area also but its mostly 16 to 20 year olds that think they can dragrace bikes like they do camaros and mustangs. most of them have no permit when mom and dad buys the bike

razr
04-14-2009, 05:44 PM
Well one good thing in PA. The MSF course is free as it should be in all states. I tell you guys the advanced course is tough. I took it three years ago with a buddy and it tests you for sure. I tell all young and new riders to take the course to get some expereince and they will give you the test and your lisence when you complete it in PA.

Crowbar
04-14-2009, 06:12 PM
the course here in halifax county stays booked, half the time you have to reserve your spot 6 months in advance. i want to take it just to get the 10% insurance discount i but cant ever get in

FEENOM
04-15-2009, 12:16 AM
For the Army the MSF course is mandatory but it is free.....Here at Ft Stewart they have just added a sportbike course that is not yet mandatory but focus' on sportbikes because the begginer MSF and Advanced MSF is not really geared directly to sportbikes. It helps protect people but at the same time I know a guy that bought the 08 Busa dropped hitting some gravel on a exit, then less than a week after he got it fixed totaled it show boating in a neighborhood and slid it up under someones parked truck. No sooner than it was totalled went out and bought the same bike all over again and dropped it taking off out of the parking lot of the dealership. There was a very small amount of gravel on the transition from the parking lot to the street and he gassed it showing off loss the rear end and layed it down on the side of the road. Needless to say he had taken the beginners and advanced MSF course. But did not learn that stupidity can still get you messed up.....